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Yesterday, when I heard that these "rebel" Republicans and Bush had made a compromise on torture, I asked myself, "how do you compromise torture?"
Does that mean the people being held will only get waterboarded on Tuesday's and Thursday's instead of everyday of the week?
Does that mean they will use dogs that are a little less mean looking?
Does that mean prisoners will be sodomized only on Friday nights?
Do Americans need to be reminded of the photos from Abu Ghraib? What about the photos and video that the Bush Administration said was too graphic to show even though a judge said they must be turned over? What about the videos of young boys being sodomized while in US custody?
We are a nation founded on values, Christian values. Would Jesus compromise on torture? The bottomline is that any form of torture is torture.
Saturday, September 23, 2006
How do you Compromise Torture?
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Hello Noneed4thneed and all,
All three Faiths of Abraham spawn violence and hypocrisy
Christians and Jews can smugly lecture and chastise Muslims about violence, because followers of Islam are poorer, more oppressed, and thereby forced to defend themselves in cruder fashion. On the other hand, the rich and powerful nations of the west can fund, train, and equip state of the art militaries and intelligence services to do their bidding, by proxy. Likewise, smooth-talking politicians expertly equivocate about acceptable collateral damage to the homes and lives of poor people in other lands. With so many dollars spent, why don’t Muslims and others simply shut up and accept being exploited, oppressed, and massacred for such nobly expressed western ideals?
Those in representative democracies tout their governments as extensions of the citizenry. Accordingly, so are the militaries, intelligence services, corporations and other proxies used to expand and maintain the Judeo-Christian Empire. By extension, the citizens of western nations are much more responsible for the actions of criminals, killers, and torturers paid for and authorized by democratic institutions than people who live in less democratic nations who have much less control over the actions of their leaders.
It is undeniable that the Bush administration, its cohorts, and supporters are mostly Christian. Without the blind support of so many Judeo-Christians, the Bush administration would not now be embroiled in the current struggle to retroactively legalize torture, illegal domestic spying, and other crimes. By US law, hiring a proxy to murder or assault someone is still prosecuted as murder and assault. It is undeniable that the militaries and intelligence services of the west that kill and torture at the behest of democratic representatives are hired proxies of Judeo-Christian citizens.
Regardless of attempts to shift blame, history clearly records the widespread crimes of Christianity. Whether we're talking about the abominations of the Inquisition, Crusades, the greed and genocide of colonizers, slavery in the Americas, or the Bush administration's recent deeds and results, Christianity has always spawned great evil.
So, the next time any Christian, Jew, or Muslim, whether president, prime minister, religious leader or follower decides to chastise others for their failings, stop to consider that the logs in your own eyes have blinded you to the full truth about all three faiths of Abraham. Religion has utterly failed to solve humanity's problems because it is a strong delusion that spawns error and evil instead. The sheep's clothing of duplicitous ideals is an obvious deception used to hide the truth. Nonetheless, the veil is readily pierced by discerning the fruits of their deeds.
Here is Wisdom...
Seven Star: Tell me where or when Jews have spawned violence on anything near the scale of the violence spawned by Muslims and Christians. Also, what religion were Hitler and Stalin? Answer: they were none of the above. So not only are you wrong generally, but you have also demonstrated your Jew-hatred by your gratuitous inclusion of Jews. And, if you want to ascribe Christian violence to "Judeo-Christians" study your history. We were victims of the Crusades. We were victims of the Inquisition. So either apologize, or just admit that you are a Jew hater.
The torture noneed4thneed refers to is not Christian or Jewish or Muslim or atheist torture--it's American torture. The objective should be to stop the torture and other atrocities.
I look at the Holocaust and ask how the German citizens could have let that happen. I don't want people 50 years from now to look back and ask the same questions about me.
CR is exactly right. No religion goes out and says that people should torture. When we torture we are no better than the terrotists that we are trying to capture. When the American government tortures, every American is guilty of it. It doesn't matter what relgion they practice.
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